[LCC] rig preferences

Fri Jul 16 21:24:46 EDT 2010

Any station with a 20M monobander at 90 feet and a full size (no loading
coils, capacitance hats, or linear loading) 3-element 40M monobander, and an
80M 4-square vertical array has an antenna farm somewhat above "meager", at
least in my opinion.

73,

Marsh, KA5M  

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From: lcc-bounces at louisianacontestclub.org
[mailto:lcc-bounces at louisianacontestclub.org] On Behalf Of Steve Lott
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 4:41 PM
To: Dan Edward Dba East edwards
Cc: lcc at louisianacontestclub.org; Keith
Subject: Re: [LCC] rig preferences

Dan

I strongly agree that SDR technology is the future

and that is the single reason why I am leaning towards a K3 in my future

(because of it's design around or rather embracement of SDR)

Mean while I'll continue with my 1kMP's and multiple antenna choices

on my meager antenna farm

cheers !

steve

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Dan Edward Dba East edwards
<dan.n.edwards at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

( i changed the subject line, if you guys dont mind ) 

i chose the flex3000 because it comes with all the roofing filters a guy
will

ever need. NONE !! ( full SDR/DSP rigs convert rf straight to audio,
virtually )

instead, you use RAM, L-2 Cache, & processor power....and some great

software.

and because my old ft-107's were dying. and the F3k rates pretty high for
less

money, especially used, than the other top performers on Sherwoods site.

and, i had fooled with a soft rock IF on my FT-107 and saw what a REAL
panadapter

looks like. it spoils you REAL fast. K5LC was nice enough to loan me his Pro
2

for cw SS last year, but it was too late. no comparison on the panadapters.
but you DO have to have a better-than-average PC, i admit...which is not
free..

i'm probably out in left field (again), as there seem to be NO top finishers
using

flex radios, YET....so are you a leader or a follower ??

we flexers DO have our growing pains....ok, i'll be quiet..

except: money spent on towers, antennas, feedlines, and rotators, IF you can

put them up, pays back fast, and big time...

73 all, w5xz, dan

--- On Fri, 7/16/10, Steve Lott <lottsphoto at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Steve Lott <lottsphoto at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [LCC] low band antenna experience
To: "Keith" <Keith at nelasat.com>
Cc: lcc at louisianacontestclub.org
Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 10:26 AM

My point of view is Yes the K3 is the state of art radio

The FT-1000MP is not that far down in performance

The cost to benifit ratio for many, including my self is currently

placing the FT-10000MP as the radio of choice (esp since any change would be
adding Two K3's)

The small performance difference between a K3 and an FT-1000MP

can be easily made up by a skilled op and while the Radio Sport teams were
restricted to use of the antennas provided

most ops can increase their station performance thru better antennas, than
they can thru purchase of the latest and greatest rig.

The Top performing rigs are so close together that most amateurs will not
benifit greatly enough to justify

throwing money at a new rig

That said,  yes there is a K3 in my future just not right now

My priorities are....... 

*   better receive antenna performance

*   a log periodic  (possibly a summer)

*   increasing the height of two of my current towers

*   continued maintenance on my current antenna farm

cheers !

Steve
KG5VK

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Keith <Keith at nelasat.com
<http://mc/compose?to=Keith@nelasat.com> > wrote:

Just think of what their scores would have been if they had K3's!!!!

Keith, K5ENS

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Marshall Stewart <http://mc/compose?to=marsh@ka5m.net>  

To: 'Keith' <http://mc/compose?to=Keith@nelasat.com>  ;
lcc at louisianacontestclub.org
<http://mc/compose?to=lcc@louisianacontestclub.org>  

Cc: lottsphoto at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=lottsphoto@gmail.com>  

Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:20 AM

Subject: RE: [LCC] low band antenna experience

My point was simple too.  "The reviews state.." describes the use of K3s by
a majority of participants in the WRTC2010 competition.  The rest of the
story is that 3 of the 5 top WRTC2010 teams used FT-1000MPs.

Marsh, KA5M       

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From: Keith [mailto:Keith at nelasat.com
<http://mc/compose?to=Keith@nelasat.com> ] 
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:19 AM
To: Marshall Stewart
Cc: lottsphoto at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=lottsphoto@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [LCC] low band antenna experience

My point to Mark using Icom 756 Pro II's was simple.  Your antenna system
only gets you so far. Admittedly a long way. The Elecraft K3 is a great
radio for pulling out weak signals or signals that are near the noise level
or close in working with crowded bands during contests.  You need a great
receiver to do that and the K3 has one of the best.

Keith, K5ENS

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Marshall Stewart <http://mc/compose?to=marsh@ka5m.net>  

To: 'Keith' <http://mc/compose?to=Keith@nelasat.com>  ;
lcc at louisianacontestclub.org
<http://mc/compose?to=lcc@louisianacontestclub.org>  

Cc: Steve Smith KG5VK <http://mc/compose?to=lottsphoto@gmail.com>  

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:09 PM

Subject: RE: [LCC] low band antenna experience

Or, you could use an FT-1000MP like the 1st and 2nd place team used..

It's all <http://blog.g4ilo.com/2010/07/its-all-down-to-your-ears.html>
down to your ears

via G4ILO's <http://blog.g4ilo.com/>  Blog by Julian on 7/15/10

There was a lot of excitement on the Elecraft email reflector over the fact
that the majority of participants in the World Radio Team Championship 2010
(WRTC 2010) were using Elecraft K3s. There was even more glee when it was
discovered that Scott Robbins W4PA, former Ten-Tec product manager, and Tim
Duffy K3LR of Team Icom had taken K3s. This was like the President of Coca
Cola serving Pepsi at his anniversary party!

<http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yDaKhJLpQjc/TD7fgu4toWI/AAAAAAAAAXI/mYFYsAGTW0M/s
1600/ft-1000mp.jpg> There have not been many comments now the results are
out <http://www.wrtc2010.ru/result_table.php> , which show that the top two
teams, from Russia and Estonia respectively, were using FT-1000MPs. The USA
team of N6MJ and KL9A in third place used K3s, as did K5ZD and W2SC who came
fifth, but the fourth placed S50A and S57AW again used FT-1000MPs as did the
Lithuanian entry in seventh place.

So let's get this straight: the winning stations and several others in the
top ten used a now obsolete radio that was introduced in 1996 which has
frequently been criticized as inferior to the K3? I suspect the fact that
many international competitors took K3s may have more to do with the fact
that the Elecraft radio is small enough and light enough to be taken on an
aircraft as hand baggage. And I suspect that the reason for the success of
the stations using FT-1000MPs is that there is more to winning a contest
than having a receiver with the best performance numbers.

Anyone want to swap an Elecraft K3 for an FT-1000MP? (Only joking.) 

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From: lcc-bounces at louisianacontestclub.org
<http://mc/compose?to=lcc-bounces@louisianacontestclub.org>
[mailto:lcc-bounces at louisianacontestclub.org
<http://mc/compose?to=lcc-bounces@louisianacontestclub.org> ] On Behalf Of
Keith
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:20 PM
To: lcc at louisianacontestclub.org
<http://mc/compose?to=lcc@louisianacontestclub.org> 
Subject: Re: [LCC] low band antenna experience

Maybe you could gain by the use of Elecraft K3's....

The reviews state.... 

There is no transceiver in the amateur marketplace that has the close-in
dynamic range performance of the K3 with narrow roofing filters installed,
and most aren't close to the K3.

Also noted was.

Radios used at last weeks WRTC2010 competition:

"lists that Scott Robbins, 
the Ex-Product Manager of the Ten Tec Orion transceiver 
product line, brought with him, for his personal use... 

...An Elecraft K3! 

That's like Col. Sanders going to Chick-Fil-A for lunch!  Or 
Papa John ordering Pizza Hut for Dinner! 

And, contesting Jedi and CQ WW Champion Multi Multi station 
owner Tim Duffy, who operates the defacto "NASCAR Factory 
Team" for Icom (complete with "Team ICOM" uniforms), and who 
apears in advertisements touting the superior performance of 
the Icom 7XXX line of transceivers, brought with him for his 
personal use... 

...An Elecraft K3! 

That's like Dale Earnhardt bringing a Toyota Camry to drive 
in the Daytona 500!   

The list is sort of like discovering that Bill Gates uses 
an Apple Mac Book running OS/X to do Microsoft presentations 
with! 

Now, we all know that the invitees to this party could 
afford to bring *anything* they wanted to bring.  Im also 
sure that any rig manufacturer would have been happy to 
supply them with anything they wanted, just for the 
asking... 

But they both showed up with K3's.  So did most of the 
competitors!   

Why?"....

Doesn't take much thought,

Keith, K5ENS

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