[LCC] rig preferences

Fri Jul 16 17:40:38 EDT 2010

Dan

I strongly agree that SDR technology is the future
and that is the single reason why I am leaning towards a K3 in my future
(because of it's design around or rather embracement of SDR)

Mean while I'll continue with my 1kMP's and multiple antenna choices
on my meager antenna farm

cheers !

steve

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Dan Edward Dba East edwards <
dan.n.edwards at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>   ( i changed the subject line, if you guys dont mind )
>
> i chose the flex3000 because it comes with all the roofing filters a guy
> will
> ever need. NONE !! ( full SDR/DSP rigs convert rf straight to audio,
> virtually )
> instead, you use RAM, L-2 Cache, & processor power....and some great
> software.
>
> and because my old ft-107's were dying. and the F3k rates pretty high for
> less
> money, especially used, than the other top performers on Sherwoods site.
>
> and, i had fooled with a soft rock IF on my FT-107 and saw what a REAL
> panadapter
> looks like. it spoils you REAL fast. K5LC was nice enough to loan me his
> Pro 2
> for cw SS last year, but it was too late. no comparison on the panadapters.
> but you DO have to have a better-than-average PC, i admit...which is not
> free..
>
> i'm probably out in left field (again), as there seem to be NO top
> finishers using
> flex radios, YET....so are you a leader or a follower ??
>
> we flexers DO have our growing pains....ok, i'll be quiet..
>
> except: money spent on towers, antennas, feedlines, and rotators, IF you
> can
> put them up, pays back fast, and big time...
>
> 73 all, w5xz, dan
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/16/10, Steve Lott <lottsphoto at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Steve Lott <lottsphoto at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [LCC] low band antenna experience
> To: "Keith" <Keith at nelasat.com>
> Cc: lcc at louisianacontestclub.org
> Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 10:26 AM
>
>  My point of view is Yes the K3 is the state of art radio
>
> The FT-1000MP is not that far down in performance
>
> The cost to benifit ratio for many, including my self is currently
> placing the FT-10000MP as the radio of choice (esp since any change would
> be adding Two K3's)
>
> The small performance difference between a K3 and an FT-1000MP
> can be easily made up by a skilled op and while the Radio Sport teams were
> restricted to use of the antennas provided
> most ops can increase their station performance thru better antennas, than
> they can thru purchase of the latest and greatest rig.
>
> The Top performing rigs are so close together that most amateurs will not
> benifit greatly enough to justify
> throwing money at a new rig
>
> That said,  yes there is a K3 in my future just not right now
> My priorities are.......
>
> *   better receive antenna performance
> *   a log periodic  (possibly a summer)
> *   increasing the height of two of my current towers
> *   continued maintenance on my current antenna farm
>
> cheers !
>
> Steve
> KG5VK
>
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Keith <Keith at nelasat.com<http://mc/compose?to=Keith@nelasat.com>
> > wrote:
>
>>  *Just think of what their scores would have been if they had K3's!!!!*
>> **
>> **
>> *Keith, K5ENS*
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Marshall Stewart <http://mc/compose?to=marsh@ka5m.net>
>> *To:* 'Keith' <http://mc/compose?to=Keith@nelasat.com> ;
>> lcc at louisianacontestclub.org<http://mc/compose?to=lcc@louisianacontestclub.org>
>>   *Cc:* lottsphoto at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=lottsphoto@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2010 9:20 AM
>> *Subject:* RE: [LCC] low band antenna experience
>>
>>  My point was simple too.  “The reviews state….” describes the use of K3s
>> by a majority of participants in the WRTC2010 competition.  The rest of the
>> story is that 3 of the 5 top WRTC2010 teams used FT-1000MPs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marsh, KA5M
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Keith [mailto:Keith at nelasat.com<http://mc/compose?to=Keith@nelasat.com>]
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2010 7:19 AM
>> *To:* Marshall Stewart
>> *Cc:* lottsphoto at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=lottsphoto@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [LCC] low band antenna experience
>>
>>
>>
>> *My point to Mark using Icom 756 Pro II's was simple.  Your antenna
>> system only gets you so far. Admittedly a long way. The Elecraft K3 is a
>> great radio for pulling out weak signals or signals that are near the noise
>> level or close in working with crowded bands during contests.  You need a
>> great receiver to do that and the K3 has one of the best.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Keith, K5ENS*
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:* Marshall Stewart <http://mc/compose?to=marsh@ka5m.net>
>>
>> *To:* 'Keith' <http://mc/compose?to=Keith@nelasat.com> ;
>> lcc at louisianacontestclub.org<http://mc/compose?to=lcc@louisianacontestclub.org>
>>
>> *Cc:* Steve Smith KG5VK <http://mc/compose?to=lottsphoto@gmail.com>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:09 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* RE: [LCC] low band antenna experience
>>
>>
>>
>> Or, you could use an FT-1000MP like the 1st and 2nd place team used….
>>
>>
>> *It's all down to your ears<http://blog.g4ilo.com/2010/07/its-all-down-to-your-ears.html>
>> *
>>
>> via G4ILO's Blog <http://blog.g4ilo.com/> by Julian on 7/15/10
>>
>>
>> There was a lot of excitement on the Elecraft email reflector over the
>> fact that the majority of participants in the World Radio Team Championship
>> 2010 (WRTC 2010) were using Elecraft K3s. There was even more glee when it
>> was discovered that Scott Robbins W4PA, former Ten-Tec product manager, and
>> Tim Duffy K3LR of Team Icom had taken K3s. This was like the President of
>> Coca Cola serving Pepsi at his anniversary party!
>>
>>
>> <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yDaKhJLpQjc/TD7fgu4toWI/AAAAAAAAAXI/mYFYsAGTW0M/s1600/ft-1000mp.jpg>There
>> have not been many comments now the results are out<http://www.wrtc2010.ru/result_table.php>,
>> which show that the top two teams, from Russia and Estonia respectively,
>> were using FT-1000MPs. The USA team of N6MJ and KL9A in third place used
>> K3s, as did K5ZD and W2SC who came fifth, but the fourth placed S50A and
>> S57AW again used FT-1000MPs as did the Lithuanian entry in seventh place.
>>
>> So let's get this straight: the winning stations and several others in the
>> top ten used a now obsolete radio that was introduced in 1996 which has
>> frequently been criticized as inferior to the K3? I suspect the fact that
>> many international competitors took K3s may have more to do with the fact
>> that the Elecraft radio is small enough and light enough to be taken on an
>> aircraft as hand baggage. And I suspect that the reason for the success of
>> the stations using FT-1000MPs is that there is more to winning a contest
>> than having a receiver with the best performance numbers.
>>
>> Anyone want to swap an Elecraft K3 for an FT-1000MP? (Only joking.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* lcc-bounces at louisianacontestclub.org<http://mc/compose?to=lcc-bounces@louisianacontestclub.org>[mailto:
>> lcc-bounces at louisianacontestclub.org<http://mc/compose?to=lcc-bounces@louisianacontestclub.org>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Keith
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:20 PM
>> *To:* lcc at louisianacontestclub.org<http://mc/compose?to=lcc@louisianacontestclub.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [LCC] low band antenna experience
>>
>>
>>
>> *Maybe you could gain by the use of Elecraft K3's....*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *The reviews state.... *
>>
>> *There is no transceiver in the amateur marketplace that has the close-in
>> dynamic range performance of the K3 with narrow roofing filters installed,
>> and most aren’t close to the K3.*
>>
>> *Also noted was.*
>>
>> *Radios used at last weeks WRTC2010 competition:*
>>
>> *"lists that Scott Robbins,
>> the Ex-Product Manager of the Ten Tec Orion transceiver
>> product line, brought with him, for his personal use...
>>
>> ...An Elecraft K3!
>>
>> That's like Col. Sanders going to Chick-Fil-A for lunch!  Or
>> Papa John ordering Pizza Hut for Dinner!
>>
>> And, contesting Jedi and CQ WW Champion Multi Multi station
>> owner Tim Duffy, who operates the defacto "NASCAR Factory
>> Team" for Icom (complete with "Team ICOM" uniforms), and who
>> apears in advertisements touting the superior performance of
>> the Icom 7XXX line of transceivers, brought with him for his
>> personal use...
>>
>> ...An Elecraft K3!
>>
>> That's like Dale Earnhardt bringing a Toyota Camry to drive
>> in the Daytona 500!
>>
>> The list is sort of like discovering that Bill Gates uses
>> an Apple Mac Book running OS/X to do Microsoft presentations
>> with!
>>
>> Now, we all know that the invitees to this party could
>> afford to bring *anything* they wanted to bring.  Im also
>> sure that any rig manufacturer would have been happy to
>> supply them with anything they wanted, just for the
>> asking...
>>
>> But they both showed up with K3's.  So did most of the
>> competitors!
>>
>> Why?"....*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Doesn't take much thought,*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Keith, K5ENS*
>>
>>
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