[LCC] K3 vs. R-4C MDS measurements
Randy Prewitt
ranprew at foxsale.com
Sat Jul 24 14:00:43 EDT 2010
More forwarded from an email discussion between Tom, W4YOK in Plano, TX and
his friend Randy Parmer, W8FN in Arlington, TX concerning a shootout between
a super Drake R4C and Elecraft K3. We're sort of like -- eavesdropping.
randy K4LJA -- an interested observer.
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Receiver sensitivity is probably the easiest thing to
> achieve and the least useful to have at HF. It's a non-issue when it comes
> to predicting performance in the real world. Ever since the '50s or '60s
> almost any decent receiver (that excludes my old piece of crap NC-109) has
> had more than enough sensitivity to let you hear down to the band noise
> floor, even on a quiet 10 meter band. You can get good sensitivity simply
> by throwing lots of gain in the lineup and calling it finished; making a
> receiver with sufficient gain to get the job done that can simultaneously
> handle the tremendous dynamic range of the environment in a major contest
> is something else again -- and that's what the Elecraft folks have done.
> MDS is a pretty useless specification when it comes to characterizing
> real-world performance. -130 dBm or so, typical of what decent modern
> receivers can do easily, is so far below the realized noise level when an
> antenna is attached to the receiver that there's zero benefit in extending
> the detection capability any lower.
>
> The architecture of the receiver determines the usable dynamic range,
> defined as the instantaneous difference between the weakest signal the
> receiver can detect and the strongest signal it can handle without
> producing distortion. Cheap rice boxes can do around 70 dB dynamic range
> with a -130 dBm sensitivity, while the K3 can do around 90-100 dB range at
> a similar sensitivity.
>
> Bad choices in gain setting can easily negate the advantages of having a
> superior receiver. Let's say for example that the actual noise level in a
> receiver's bandwidth is -110 dBm. This is probably a conservative estimate
> of band noise. Even W8JI, who lives in an exceptionally low noise
> location, has measured his noise floor at 160 meters to be about -125 dBm.
> Those of us living in or near "civilization" can count on the noise being
> a great deal higher.
>
> With a -110 dBm noise level if you take the 70 dB DR receiver and adjust
> its gain to where the noise is just detectable, it can handle a pretty big
> signal of around -40dBm (S9 + 33 dB, assuming S9 is 50 microvolts or -73
> dBm) before it gets into intermod trouble. S9 +40 dB signals are easy to
> find in a big contest, so this receiver is pretty marginal for contesting,
> even with the gain set optimally. If the gain is run wide open, it can
> handle a maximum signal of only -60 dBm (S9 + 13 dB). This makes it
> essentially worthless.
>
> For the 100 dB DR receiver, the highest level signal tolerable with the
> gain set properly is -10 dBm (S9 +63 dB). With the gain run wide open it
> can survive maximum levels of -30 dBm (S9 + 43 dB). So just by running the
> gain up we've managed to reduce the higher performance receiver's signal
> handling capability to where it is essentially no better than the poor
> receiver with its gain set correctly.
>
> AGC is used to increase the overall signal handling capability of
> receivers, but AGC can't improve their instantaneous dynamic range. As a
> matter of fact, letting strong signals control the receiver gain is a
> prescription for increased intermodulation distortion. Cranking the gain
> up to where noise can influence the AGC loop produces even more
> catastrophic effects, since the receiver gain is effectively modulated by
> noise filtered through the AGC loop time constants. This produces all
> sorts of garbage in the receiver's audio that can cover up marginal
> signals.
>
> Raw sensitivity can't cause a signal to magically appear out of the noise.
> If the signal to noise ratio is less than unity no amount of amplification
> will produce anything other than more and more noise. The only things that
> can extract weak signals from stronger noise are either a reduction of
> receiver bandwidth or some form of signal correlation technique. Modern
> DSP techniques allow us to reduce bandwidth to the minimum required to
> pass a desired signal with no particular difficulty, and there have been
> some advances in processing techniques that seek to suppress random noise.
> We're probably pretty much up against the physics of the situation now.
> The only avenue for receiver performance improvement has been and
> continues to be extending dynamic performance.
>
> 73...
> Randy, W8FN
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