<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">( i changed the subject line, if you guys dont mind )<div><br></div><div>i chose the flex3000 because it comes with all the roofing filters a guy will</div><div>ever need. NONE !! ( full SDR/DSP rigs convert rf straight to audio, virtually )</div><div>instead, you use RAM, L-2 Cache, & processor power....and some great</div><div>software.</div><div><br></div><div>and because my old ft-107's were dying. and the F3k rates pretty high for less</div><div>money, especially used, than the other top performers on Sherwoods site.</div><div><br></div><div>and, i had fooled with a soft rock IF on my FT-107 and saw what a REAL panadapter</div><div>looks like. it spoils you REAL fast. K5LC was nice enough to loan me his Pro 2</div><div>for cw SS last year, but it was too late. no comparison on the panadapters. but you DO have to have a better-than-average PC, i
admit...which is not free..</div><div><br></div><div>i'm probably out in left field (again), as there seem to be NO top finishers using</div><div>flex radios, YET....so are you a leader or a follower ??</div><div><br></div><div>we flexers DO have our growing pains....ok, i'll be quiet..</div><div><br></div><div>except: money spent on towers, antennas, feedlines, and rotators, IF you can</div><div>put them up, pays back fast, and big time...</div><div><br></div><div>73 all, w5xz, dan</div><div><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 7/16/10, Steve Lott <i><lottsphoto@gmail.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Steve Lott <lottsphoto@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [LCC] low band antenna experience<br>To: "Keith" <Keith@nelasat.com><br>Cc: lcc@louisianacontestclub.org<br>Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 10:26 AM<br><br><div id="yiv144142405"><div>My point of view is Yes
the K3 is the state of art radio</div>
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<div>The FT-1000MP is not that far down in performance</div>
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<div>The cost to benifit ratio for many, including my self is currently</div>
<div>placing the FT-10000MP as the radio of choice (esp since any change would be adding Two K3's)</div>
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<div>The small performance difference between a K3 and an FT-1000MP</div>
<div>can be easily made up by a skilled op and while the Radio Sport teams were restricted to use of the antennas provided</div>
<div>most ops can increase their station performance thru better antennas, than they can thru purchase of the latest and greatest rig.</div>
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<div>The Top performing rigs are so close together that most amateurs will not benifit greatly enough to justify</div>
<div>throwing money at a new rig</div>
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<div>That said, yes there is a K3 in my future just not right now</div>
<div>My priorities are....... </div>
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<div>* better receive antenna performance</div>
<div>* a log periodic (possibly a summer)</div>
<div>* increasing the height of two of my current towers</div>
<div>* continued maintenance on my current antenna farm</div>
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<div>cheers !</div>
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<div>Steve<br>KG5VK</div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 16, 2010 9:20 AM</div>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 16, 2010 7:19 AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">To:</span></b> Marshall Stewart<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Cc:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lottsphoto@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=lottsphoto@gmail.com">lottsphoto@gmail.com</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="3" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;COLOR:navy;FONT-SIZE:12pt;">Or, you could use an FT-1000MP like the 1<sup>st</sup> and 2<sup>nd</sup> place team used….</span></font></p>
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<h2 style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:0pt;MARGIN-LEFT:0in;MARGIN-RIGHT:0in;"><b><font size="5" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:18pt;"><a rel="nofollow" title="http://blog.g4ilo.com/2010/07/its-all-down-to-your-ears.html" target="_blank" href="http://blog.g4ilo.com/2010/07/its-all-down-to-your-ears.html">It's all down to your ears</a></span></font></b></h2>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial;FONT-SIZE:12pt;"><br>There was a lot of excitement on the Elecraft email reflector over the fact that the majority of participants in the World Radio Team Championship 2010 (WRTC 2010) were using Elecraft K3s. There was even more glee when it was discovered that Scott Robbins W4PA, former Ten-Tec product manager, and Tim Duffy K3LR of Team Icom had taken K3s. This was like the President of Coca Cola serving Pepsi at his anniversary party!<br>
<br><a rel="nofollow" title="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yDaKhJLpQjc/TD7fgu4toWI/AAAAAAAAAXI/mYFYsAGTW0M/s1600/ft-1000mp.jpg" target="_blank" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yDaKhJLpQjc/TD7fgu4toWI/AAAAAAAAAXI/mYFYsAGTW0M/s1600/ft-1000mp.jpg"><span style="TEXT-DECORATION:none;"><img style="TEXT-ALIGN:center;MARGIN:0px auto 10px;MIN-HEIGHT:188px;WIDTH:400px;DISPLAY:block;" title="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yDaKhJLpQjc/TD7fgu4toWI/AAAAAAAAAXI/mYFYsAGTW0M/s1600/ft-1000mp.jpg" border="0" src="cid:1.543277252@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com" width="400" height="188"></span></a>There have not been many comments now the <a rel="nofollow" title="http://www.wrtc2010.ru/result_table.php" target="_blank" href="http://www.wrtc2010.ru/result_table.php">results are out</a>, which show that the top two teams, from Russia and Estonia respectively, were using FT-1000MPs. The USA team of N6MJ and KL9A in third place used K3s, as did K5ZD and W2SC who came fifth, but the fourth
placed S50A and S57AW again used FT-1000MPs as did the Lithuanian entry in seventh place.<br>
<br>So let's get this straight: the winning stations and several others in the top ten used a now obsolete radio that was introduced in 1996 which has frequently been criticized as inferior to the K3? I suspect the fact that many international competitors took K3s may have more to do with the fact that the Elecraft radio is small enough and light enough to be taken on an aircraft as hand baggage. And I suspect that the reason for the success of the stations using FT-1000MPs is that there is more to winning a contest than having a receiver with the best performance numbers.<br>
<br>Anyone want to swap an Elecraft K3 for an FT-1000MP? (Only joking.) </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;FONT-SIZE:10pt;"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lcc-bounces@louisianacontestclub.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=lcc-bounces@louisianacontestclub.org">lcc-bounces@louisianacontestclub.org</a> [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lcc-bounces@louisianacontestclub.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=lcc-bounces@louisianacontestclub.org">lcc-bounces@louisianacontestclub.org</a>] <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Keith<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:20 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lcc@louisianacontestclub.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=lcc@louisianacontestclub.org">lcc@louisianacontestclub.org</a><br>
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<p><b><font size="3" face="Courier New"><span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">There is no transceiver in the amateur marketplace that has the close-in dynamic range performance of the K3 with narrow roofing filters installed, and most aren’t close to the K3.</span></font></b></p>
<p><b><font size="3" face="Courier New"><span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Also noted was.</span></font></b></p>
<p><b><font size="3" face="Courier New"><span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Radios used at last weeks WRTC2010 competition:</span></font></b></p>
<p><b><font size="3" face="Courier New"><span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">"lists that Scott Robbins, <br>the Ex-Product Manager of the Ten Tec Orion transceiver <br>
product line, brought with him, for his personal use... <br><br>...An Elecraft K3! <br><br>That's like Col. Sanders going to Chick-Fil-A for lunch! Or <br>Papa John ordering Pizza Hut for Dinner! <br><br>And, contesting Jedi and CQ WW Champion Multi Multi station <br>
owner Tim Duffy, who operates the defacto "NASCAR Factory <br>Team" for Icom (complete with "Team ICOM" uniforms), and who <br>apears in advertisements touting the superior performance of <br>the Icom 7XXX line of transceivers, brought with him for his <br>
personal use... <br><br>...An Elecraft K3! <br><br>That's like Dale Earnhardt bringing a Toyota Camry to drive <br>in the Daytona 500! <br><br>The list is sort of like discovering that Bill Gates uses <br>an Apple Mac Book running OS/X to do Microsoft presentations <br>
with! <br><br>Now, we all know that the invitees to this party could <br>afford to bring *anything* they wanted to bring. Im also <br>sure that any rig manufacturer would have been happy to <br>supply them with anything they wanted, just for the <br>
asking... <br><br>But they both showed up with K3's. So did most of the <br>competitors! <br><br>Why?"....</span></font></b></p>
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<p><b><font size="3" face="Courier New"><span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Doesn't take much thought,</span></font></b></p>
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