Dan, You mean there is a 5 am on days that we AREN'T contesting??? 73, Mark, K5ER -------------------------------------------- >VK3PA and VK3ZL are on 160m cw almost every day around 5 am to sunrise.. > >1825 to 1830... > >they're both about 579 on my rx 4 square. > >FWIW, 73 w5xz, dan